Subconscious Social Engineering - Can We Monetize the Downvote Trail?

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Blockchain consensus is a commonly overlooked aspect of our subconscious interactions here on Hive. There is a variety of consensus protocols on Hive that minnows and newer users may not be aware of. I will list a few,

Witness Votes

  • Endorse up to 20 hive users running a witness node
  • Witnesses verify blocks / mine the transactions
  • Different witnesses run different versions of hive

Decentralized Hive Fund Proposals

  • Vote on funding proposals from developers
  • Proposals above the "return proposal" are funded
  • Proposals Increase the size of the rewards pool, leading to increased inflation, the return proposal prevents inflation

Downvoting

  • Some Hive frontends have the downvote feature less exposed than the upvote feature
  • Downvoting works visa versa to Upvoting
  • If you do not like a post you are seeing, you can downvote that post to decrease the rewards of the author and their curators.

All of these things are commonly overlooked by your average user on Hive just based on how seldom those features are used compared to others.

It would surprise you how many people have not voted for witnesses or set a witness proxy, I bet this ratio would reflect the participation in national elections around the world.

The proposals page usually gets a bit more interaction than the witnesses section due to community support, but the witness nodes are something I would really urge every Hive user to look into voting for. Read the Witness post and make up your mind, vote for witnesses you support.

If you would like to set me as your witness proxy, you can do so
here. Things I look for in a witness,

  • Not politicizing the blockchain, non partisan witnesses
  • Max 2 of my witness votes are top 20 witnesses
  • Decentralized outlook in their witness thread

If you would like to follow my downvote trail, you can do so
here. I focus on content that would not appeal to all end users. Things I downvote,

  • spam (includes religion which most anti spam doesn't)
  • attacks of character
  • trolling after being asked to stop

I always support someone getting a good laugh for better or worse, but 1 warning is all I can really sympathize with a person needing.


Moderation of Your Freedom of Expression

As I said above depending on which front end you use to browse the Hive blockchain, it may have a censored downvote feature. It'll be located in a drop down menu instead of right next to the upvote feature which is one of the most advocated features in regards to hive branding and onboarding of new users.

When people go about gallivanting how they "make money blogging on hive" they always leave out how much Hive Power they are backing that statement with, they're really misleading you as to the true nature of the hive blockchain.

If you want to play crony capitalism you can make more money getting educated in derrivates trading, or bond and mortgage swaps... The true nature of hive will be unlocked when we break free from these conventional capitalist mindstates that have us in bondage with the banking system.

When people try to monetize their Hive Power, it's usually exaggerated as a very broad and speculative approach to microblogging, with layer 1 blockchain technology. If you're using multiple front ends, which is less common, you may be on layer 2 blockchain levels of interoperability but thats assuming you're even aware of what you're interacting with behind the front end, the DPoS ledger the witnesses maintain.

Its likely rational to assume most Hive end users will be on layer 1 or layer 2 for the next 5 years while they figure out the potential their private keys have. If things like the Twitter sign in feature on Leo become popular, I'm aware they're not trying to popularize that either it's just there to appeal to a broader audience, those users may never even get past layer 1.

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Normalization of the Downvote

When upvoting and downvoting are seeing similar usage patterns, I'm not saying one to one either, but when the common popular opinion is in to distribute upvotes to incentivize everyone to stay on the platform, the loyal users will be quickly picked out from these Fanboys that came in the early days of steem.

I think a lot of people who have been here for a long time, know that they hold back on downvoting to prevent this stigma of "scaring off new users". This stigma is what prevents hive from reaching its true potential, and thats why makeshift solutions like hivewatchers are integrated into DHF proposals to incentives solutions to problems on this platform like spam, seeing as it will be on the blockchain forever, it requires innovative solutions.

Problems We Already Have the Tools to Fix

A variety of multilateral solutions have been achieved The Hive proposals system via DHF, but what does that mean for the future?

Surely we do not want to keep renewing funding to content moderators likes @hivewatchers, @cheetah, and other voting bot style services when we already have the tools to resolve issues we are funding them to fix. In the case of spam, we already have a immediate solution to that, is a downvote trail.

Downvote Trail as a Utility

@antisocialist recently brought this to my attention, starting a downvote trail that many users, including new users could follow plus be followed back by, would give every user the downvote power of the entire network negating the chance that any undesired content was ever paid out.

As we all know, the blockchain is immutable, meaning whatever artists and authors post there would be available forever and they could feel free to develop their own front-end and have all the content show in any format they wanted.

This style of aggressive community-based downvote Trail would enable any Community member, who was also contributing to it, to also have the ability to prevent the largest whales on the network from going rogue. Original content would be preserved on the blockchain for that author to promote on their own domain, not the domains in front ends that we share as the community, where that down vote would be initiated by a community member.

We already have the tools to do this, within the communities all of us already have forged on Hive.

This simple action is just the same as letting your friends know you would support the other content they have by following their curation Trail, it's the same form of support that you are giving to people who you already endorse with upvotes, but now letting them know you want them to have the power of demotion as well as promotion.

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Oh and your witness vote link doesn't fucken lead me anywhere bbut here

LOL WDF

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Lol I want to upvote this but what if a kid like clicks that lol remember the first time you found out there was free porn

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Yeah boi, am an enabler babeee!!!

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Until the election obliterated my voting power, I'm pretty sure @python13 was one of my most voted for accounts lol

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Can't say I have stumbled on to that one.

He lies... Pull out game strong

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At least 85 Hive users who won't try to touch us in the showers at the next Hive Fest lol

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Yep, we need more members in the antiabuse communities.
I'm going to start calling for those more regularly.

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I tried to edit this twice, and ecency posted it two more times, technically we could use my other post as examples for the problem you brought up if this post reaches $20

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For Moderation as a Service (MaaS) @anthonyadavisii is the guy already on it.

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I would definitely like to dedicate more time to that endeavor as I think it has application both on and off chain. Imagine using Hive to sell moderation services to other platforms. 🤔

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Exactly.
We would be replicating what other platforms pay entire divisions to do.

I'm not sure how many would like the downvoting aspects, but I'd bet they can block users much more effectively than we can.

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I would like to draw you attention to my first pre-alpha release of an onchain solution to this spam moderation issue.

I would like to hear both of your opinion, as I have plans to take this idea I'm working on and grow it in the many communities here.

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Got a link?

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I don't know why but I am always shy about sharing ecency links? Weird sensation

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I guess I don't run into those links, much.
I'd use brave even on my phone.
I haven't used peakd on mobile, but I would bet it will be done as well as the desktop.

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I personally really an not fond any any of the websites mobile version which is why I use eceny.

Also Brave won't seem to scroll smoothly with the 120hz display my phone has, it might be on a static refresh, but I don't normally see image tearing no matter how fast I scroll on android apps.

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If that is worth the privacy sacrifice,...it was suggested to me I needed to slow down and smell the roses.
I wish I had done that sooner.

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Private DNS on android is a good feature.

Also can set an "always-on" VPN with newer android OS.

The only time it leaks DNS or IP is for about 30 seconds during connection. After that the ISP has no clue even what's happening, with the Wireguard VPN encryption on top of that, I doubt the privacy I am exposing will be exploited.

Good on you for cautioning though, I 100% upvote anyone being private with their keys, lol that's where logic actually found me was fanboying a key privacy post but it was copy and pasted, unfortunately.

P.S. you didn't find me smelling roses.

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Ah well, we all live and learn, except those of that never do anything wrong, they can get annoying.
Too scared to test a boundary.
Victims of their mind control.
It's not all bad.

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